Science putting leftists on the defensive

I’ve discovered a new (potential) ally, a certain Professor Steve Hsu.  Browsing his blog, it is obvious he is a very intelligent and objective man.  Here is an excerpt, from one of his posts (from 2007), that pertains to the biological reality of race:

This clustering is a natural consequence of geographical isolation, inheritance and natural selection operating over the last 50k years since humans left Africa.
Every allele probably occurs in each ethnic group, but with varying frequency. Suppose that for a particular gene there are 3 common variants (v1, v2, v3) all the rest being very rare. Then, for example, one might find that in ethnic group A the distribution is v1 75%, v2 15%, v3 10%, while for ethnic group B the distribution is v1 2% v2 6% v3 92%. Suppose this pattern is repeated for several genes, with the common variants in population A being rare in population B, and vice versa. Then, one might find a very dramatic difference in expressed phenotype between the two populations. For example, if skin color is determined by (say) 10 genes, and those genes have the distribution pattern given above, nearly all of population A might be fair skinned while all of population B is dark, even though there is complete overlap in the set of common alleles. Perhaps having the third type of variant v3 in 7 out of 10 pigmentation genes makes you dark. This is highly likely for an individual in population B with the given probabilities, but highly unlikely in population A.
We see that there can be dramatic group differences in phenotypes even if there is complete allele overlap between two groups – as long as the frequency or probability distributions are distinct. But it is these distributions that are measured by the metric we defined earlier. Two groups that form distinct clusters are likely to exhibit different frequency distributions over various genes, leading to group differences.
This leads us to two very distinct possibilities in human genetic variation:
Hypothesis 1: (the PC mantra) The only group differences that exist between the clusters (races) are innocuous and superficial, for example related to skin color, hair color, body type, etc.
Hypothesis 2: (the dangerous one) Group differences exist which might affect important (let us say, deep rather than superficial) and measurable characteristics, such as cognitive abilities, personality, athletic prowess, etc.
Note H1 is under constant revision, as new genetically driven group differences (e.g., particularly in disease resistance) are being discovered. According to the mantra of H1 these must all (by definition) be superficial differences.
A standard argument against H2 is that the 50k years during which groups have been separated is not long enough for differential natural selection to cause any group differences in deep characteristics. I find this argument quite naive, given what we know about animal breeding and how evolution has affected the (ever expanding list of) “superficial” characteristics. Many genes are now suspected of having been subject to strong selection over timescales of order 5k years or less. For further discussion of H2 by Steve Pinker, see here.
The predominant view among social scientists is that H1 is obviously correct and H2 obviously false. However, this is mainly wishful thinking. Official statements by the American Sociological Association and the American Anthropological Association even endorse the view that race is not a valid biological concept, which is clearly incorrect.
As scientists, we don’t know whether H1 or H2 is correct, but given the revolution in biotechnology, we will eventually. Let me reiterate, before someone labels me a racist: we don’t know with high confidence whether H1 or H2 is correct.
Finally, it is important to note that group differences are statistical in nature and do not imply anything about particular individuals. Rather than rely on the scientifically unsupported claim that we are all equal, it would be better to emphasize that we all have inalienable human rights regardless of our abilities or genetic makeup.

As for the first couple of paragraphs from that post, they are way over my head.  Higher math has never been my strong point but I’ve always wanted to delve into it in order to better understand articles such as the one above – or the finer points of La Griffe Du Lion.

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32 Responses to Science putting leftists on the defensive

  1. AJ says:

    why do you support something that teaches that yellow people are genetically superior to white people?

    • jewamongyou says:

      I support the truth. The truth says that North Asians are generally superior to whites in some ways while whites are generally superior to Asians in others. Blacks are superior in their own ways. What about you? Do you support the truth?

  2. Patrick says:

    Race realists often focus on geographic isolation in terms of entire nations being isolated from one another, have race realists focused on geographic isolation in terms of looking at various areas within certain nations?

  3. Kiwiguy says:

    I read that article a while ago and it helped me understand the basis for HBD. His review of the ‘10,000 Year Explosion’ and Greg Clark’s stuff is also good. Here are some interesting posts by Hsu addressing the Lewontin Fallacy, psychometrics & some graphs showing progress on clustering.

  4. cruft says:

    the mechanism of adapation to the environment is found in the new field of “epigenetics”. this is the mechanism which explains the biblical 10 generations for a people to change into something new.

  5. AJ says:

    yes i support the truth. Ive been reading iSteve and Onestdv. if whites and yellows are the smartest races, why isnt Eurasia more advanced than Europe?

  6. AJ says:

    russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Iran, Afghanistan, and many other central Asian countries are a mix of white and yellow DNA. Therefore, these countries should be super awesome, but theyre not. I just proved HBD is false.

  7. Annoyed says:

    I often wonder if leftists know this is coming and therefore are doing all they can to pollute our countries and racial lines in an attempt to dilute the distinction.

    • jewamongyou says:

      They force us together with their laws and brainwash our young people into dating interracially. Then they have the audacity to point to the fruits of their programs, as if they are inevitable natural behaviors, and say, “see! There is nothing you can do to stop it.”

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        Exactly, JAY!
        As Lawrence Auster pointed out in his critique of 3rd world immigration, the left creates the illusion of its necessity.
        You bring in a lot of immigrants, have them fill up certain jobs, and then say, “they do jobs we don’t want to do. We need them for our economy!”
        The left forces unwanted vices on us, and then once they have these vices firmly entrenched, they tell us that we cannot do without them.

  8. FrankBD says:

    Anti-HBD is liberal’s equivalent of Creationism — they have a morals-based reason for wanting it to be true, and aren’t interested in using science to show it isn’t.
    They also believe that even if it isn’t true, society is better off if we act like it is.

  9. AJ says:

    jewamongyou, go you have a son or a daughter? what would anger you more, your son dating interracially or your daughter doing so?

  10. AJ says:

    well, i know you wrote an article saying you wouldnt let your daughter date a black boy. What i didnt understand was, is this your real daughter, or a hypothetical one? also, you never wrote an article saying you would not let your son date interracially, so this leaves a)you dont have a son, or b) you have a son but your apparently OK with him… (edited by jewamongyou).

    • fred says:

      Watch your mouth.

    • jewamongyou says:

      It is black men who are being shoved down our throats. Not so much black women. At least 80% of interracial couplings that involve blacks are with a black man. I will not get into my private family details in response to your questions. Also, your welcome here is wearing thin since you do not pose your questions as one who is curious but rather as a troll. Also fred is right. Watch your mouth; I will not allow this blog to become cheapened by gutter language.

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        Last time I checked (these are stats from 2005. I can’t imagine much has change since then), only about 9% of blacks married someone of another race, and of that 9%, 75% of those marriages involved black men and white women.
        Interestingly enough, in Europe (at least based on my experience traveling there), the ratio is more even, and I saw more white male/black female couples.
        Which reminds me.
        A post on Europe’s attitudes/response to diversity versus the U.S’s attitudes/response would be interesting.

    • Erranter says:

      In Europe there aren’t very many blacks, but there here. I think the most is 2% of the pop.(England) but it could be higher in France (no stats) and yes, the interracial mix is very high. But people don’t really have kids in Europe, except the more traditional types and immigrants, so you don’t see many interracial children. On diversity, only in the countries where they have enough of it to feel its negative effects are the people starting to figure it out. But those same people are brainwashed as to its benefits.
      I went to a discoteca here in Spain and the blacks too over. Seriously. They sat in the corner for a while, looking shy, and I thought “wow, these real African blacks are different,” and then once 2 or 3 rolled around they stood up all of a sudden, in a group, and went over to the little mock “stage” and just went nuts dancing. Everyone left except a few whorish girls but even they seemed uncomfortable up there. I left shortly after. It was a sight to see. It’s true, though, the African blacks are different; they’re less civilized.
      But I got to hand it to them. They help each other out, at least when it comes to scoring girls. A whole group of them goes in with a pretty basic plan and they don’t seem to compete. One guy gets a girl and they let him go. Smart. White guys get jealous, go after the same girl and nobody gets anything. Anyway, I’m rambling.

  11. Erranter says:

    But Hsu is a leftist and Obama supporter. He falls into the category of “liberal race realist.” I don’t think he’d want anything to do with the white nationalist movement.

      • Bay Area Guy says:

        True, it is unfortunate that he’s a leftist.
        Still, truth is truth. The far left and white nationalists actually agree on a decent amount of things, mainly on issues pertaining to foreign policy, the meaningless two party political system, the need to end neoliberalism/globalism, etc.
        Granted, they agree on certain issues for radically different reasons, but my point in bringing this up is just to illustrate that truth is truth.
        Even if people are on the left, the truth they espouse can help our cause every now and then.

  12. AJ says:

    well I seeing as Im indigenous to Europe(Russia) I think Ill take a crack at that. Europe’s attitude to “diversity” varies by country. Im not too sure about western Europe. Russia is actually one of the most diverse nations on the planet. The USSR was the most diverse, period. Ethnic Russians made up only half the population. Today, There is the Liberal Democratic Party there, headed by Zhirinovsky, an eccentric White Nationalist. They are nationalist and usually secure 10 percent of the vote. There is a large White Nationalist movement, though of the neo-nazi variety. They have civilian support and are not ostracized. Putin is a patriot, and has brought measures specifically designed to increase the White birthrate. You would never see anything like that in the UK or France. United Russia, the main party, is center-right but not exactly white nationalist. Ethinc Russians are actually only about 80% of the population, and Russia is multicultural. However, it is centered around ethnic Russians. Nobody ever praises diversity and nobody has white guilt. There is little political correctness. The main minorities are Tatars who are a Turkic Muslim people, Chechens, who are Turkic Muslim, and like 100 different Caucasian Christian, Buddhist, and Muslim ethnicites in the far East. Anti-semitism is big, and 2 million Russian Jews already left to Israel. Moscow is about 10 million people, a huge and beautifyl city. Ethnic Russians are about 85-90% of the population there. For ethnic Russians to become a minority in our country is a nightmare, and I dont think it will ever happen. There are no black people in Russia, except a few in Universities. A russian girls that dates a black boy is a laughingstock and a whore. Its not even acceptable. Russians are very Slav-centric. We love Belarussians, Ukrainians, and Serbs. Caucasian is an insult in Russia. Russians are classified as Indo-Eurropean. Caucasians are the ethnicites from Central Asia. All the minorites in Russia are Turkic or Caucasian. Very few Asian. Although many Russians dont like actually racism(though a substantial minority do) Russians are a fan of “diversity” either. There are provinces in Russia that are organized by ethnicity. Russians consiously see ourselves as White people. No repsectable Russian family would be happy with their daughter, or evn son, dating blacks. Well thats all I can thinkof now. If anyone wants to talk about race in Russia extensively you can email me at

  13. AJ says:

    Russians are *not* a fan of diversity (oops)

  14. WD says:

    This my first post as I have only just discovered this blog.I’m an Irishman ie,a REAL Irishman,born and bred in Dublin,educated in Dublin and Munich.I’m an automotive engineer by profession,hence the Munich connection-I worked for BMW for several years before going freelance.
    Sorry for rambling,but being freelance has enabled me to work in many countrys including the USA,where I have done contract work for Ford and BMW(USA}.
    Anyway,I have always been aware that,in most fields,blacks operate at a lower level of competence than whites(I’m being kind)but it was while working for Ford that my eyes were really opened..
    The few black engineers stunned me with their their incompetence,lack of knowledge:almost basic concepts which even an ordinary white mechanic would comprehend.

  15. WD says:

    At the higher levels they simply could not cope and were politely bypassed.On a human level I could not understand how they could endure the humiliation of knowing that their colleagues simply KNEW.
    On another level their arrogance and confrontational attitude got to me.I may be a stereotypical Mick,but I’m a very large Mick and take no crap from anybody.The blacks,all blacks,always backed down,usually muttering allegations of racism,but once confronted themselves did nothing.
    White colleagues were astonished at my openess.In a way I despised them for their supine attitude,but I also understood that THEY would be fired if they said what I said.
    No offence to any white American,but,if I was you,I would not buy Ford.Or GM or Chrysler,as I know things must be the same there also.
    Any thoughts?

    • jewamongyou says:

      Thanks for participating in our blog WD! It’s always refreshing when whites actually stand up for themselves – of course being a large man is an important bonus in such situations. Keep up the good work!

    • Bay Area Guy says:

      I applaud your uncompromising attitude, WD. If only more white Americans possessed your fortitude.

  16. Kiwiguy says:

    ***Erranter Says:
    October 22, 2010 at 10:22 am
    But Hsu is a leftist and Obama supporter. He falls into the category of “liberal race realist.” I don’t think he’d want anything to do with the white nationalist movement.***
    I think it’s unfair to describe Hsu as a “leftist”. Following the financial crisis he had some posts from economists questioning how efficient markets are.
    If anything, his comments on social science issues are quite conservative. He often writes about how older social science studies are more in tune with reality than modern studies which are corrupted by political correctness.
    How many leftists would write approvingly of a paper that rehabilitates social darwinism?

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