I used to think I knew the answer to this question, but now I’m not so sure. Here are the elements I used to believe were essential to be part of this movement – back when it was sometimes called the “Dark Enlightenment or the “Neoreactionary” movement.
- A recognition of biological racial differences (HBD), and a willingness to openly discuss them.
- Outspokenness for white-advocacy, and a willingness to work toward self-determination for whites as a group (or Native Europeans, as the case may be).
- An eagerness to defend the hallmarks of Western Civilization, including outspokenness against such threats as open borders, Islam and Third-Wave Feminism.
On the flip side, it was also necessary to disavow Nazis, skinheads and organizations such as the Aryan Brotherhood or the KKK – even though members of those organizations share our concern with the wellbeing of white people as a group. There’s nothing “Alternative” or novel about them; they’ve been around for a long time. However, it was my understanding that some such people, though they call themselves “KKK” or “National Socialists” are actually not hateful at all; that their opinions are very much in line with my own; a label can’t tell you everything about a person.
On the peripherals of the Alt-Right movement is the Men’s Rights movement. There’s a lot of overlap, but one can exist in exclusion of the other.
Those who advocate for white rights, but deny the biological reality of race, are fighting a losing battle – because racial disparities are getting more and more difficult to pin on either racism or other environmental factors. These people are often now referred to as “cuckservatives” or “cucks” for short, because their denial of racial differences lead them to act against their own race.
Since the Alt-Right is ideologically based, people of any race or background can be part of it. Admittedly, it would be awkward for a practicing Muslim.
But it now seems that some people, Red Ice (at about 20:15) among them, count The Daily Stormer as part of the Alt-Right.
A quick glance at The Daily Stormer’s front page makes it obvious (to those who didn’t already know) that its main focus is to be anti-Jewish (“anti-Semitic” if you will). Here’s an excerpt of how the Daily Stormer defines the Alt-Right:
The core concept of the movement, upon which all else is based, is that Whites are undergoing an extermination, via mass immigration into White countries which was enabled by a corrosive liberal ideology of White self-hatred, and that the Jews are at the center of this agenda.
I’ve been to a few Amren conferences, and the central role of Jews, in this conspiracy, was never brought up by any speaker. I’ve already pointed out that Jared Taylor welcomes Jewish participation. Apparently, according to The Daily Stormer, American Renaissance is not part of the Alt-Right.
I would ask them, and Red-Ice, if The Daily Stormer is part of the Alt-Right, then wouldn’t Stormfront also be included? In what way do they differ from Neo-Nazis?
This is not a rhetorical question; I really want to know.
And if we are to include The Daily Stormer, Stormfront, and Neo-Nazis as part of the larger “Alt-Right” movement, perhaps it’s time we find a different label to describe people who fit the description I laid out at the beginning of this post.
First thing to understand is that it’s a pragmatic, goal-oriented identity. Common goal. Second is that the “alt” means alternative and to what is the GOP which finds us offensive, and unacceptable. Pot-smoking libertarians, nazis, WN, WI, and flaming faggots. And we hate them too, so that’s a two-way street.
Third is that we HATE. Truly we hate. it’s real. This is the last peaceful, legal step before simply killing these motherfuckers. Seriously. And many targets on the list of “people we’d really like to kill” are considered upstanding members of the GOP, otherwise known as cucks.
You make the same mistake as everyone else. You attempt to construct an identity using the symbols of the old order, the establishment, and because you do that, you will always miss the mark. We’ve rejected all of that, we’re smarter than the people that constructed that paradigm, we’ve written a new, more effective one and oh, yeah, we CONTROL you. You don’t control us. Highly educated core of classically-trained academics. Think rooms filled with doctors of philosophy, talking endlessly about where we are on a continuum that started before Christ. It’s one reason why niggers can hang-out, but can never lead. They’re not qualified, and do not share in the cultural and genetic heritage. Neither do you, Jew. We’re bigger than that. Bigger than you, and bigger than what you and your entire, non-white culture can imagine.
We are transcendent. You can examine a piece here and a part there pretend to know enough to persuade someone who knows less that you know something, but we’ll read your work and still pick out the flaws and parts that you got wrong.
Why, for example, do you think we call each other “goy”? Answer: To heavily emphasize who we are NOT. Which is jewish. Imagine a white identity with all of the jewish influence removed. Most people would never even think to do that. Even after you get past the indoctrinated prohibition (by an alien, jewish race) of anti-semitism, you still have to WANT to wonder what “whiteness” is, without any of that “judeo” influence knocking about inside it.
What is “white” after you subtract “jew” and “nazi” from it? This is the starting point, and it talks a LOT to get the average white person to get to that point. In order to know what “Alt-Right” is, you have to get there yourself.
Errata:
What if the 6 million figure was wrong? What if it was only 500,000?
Who was worse, Hitler or Stalin?
If Hitler was bad, did that make Stalin “good”?
What if Hitler had one the war? Where would the US be today?
What if all negros were shipped back to Africa after the Civil War?
Why did the Liberian experiment fail?
Has the quality of life for the average South African improved or degraded since Apartheid ended?
Why is the NBA 75% black when they are only 13% of the population?
Why does 13% of the population commit 50% of the homicides?
if all of these disparities are explained by genetics, then what does that say about whites being called “racist” and blamed for everything?
Why does no one else talk about Affirmative Action being Institutional Racism?
Is it reasonable to expect to punish a race in a “judeo-christian” culture for 10 generations after the “sins of their fathers”? You’d think the (biblical) Jews would have something to say about that, but then they aren’t paying the price, are they? (Hence “anti-semitism”)
This is just a small dab of just what one Alt-Right thinks about. Not the typical, knuckle-dragging retardation of your standard “muh dick” nigger. They haven’t got what it takes to get here, and don’t want to anyways. Whites are irrepressible. We’re explorers, astronauts, adventurers, we’re smarter, faster, and have more courage, we cross boundaries and discover things while mud races eat, shit and fuck for 20,000 years on the North American continent and never invent a written language or even the wheel.
99% of the people that would label me “racist” for saying these things aren’t smart enough to understand any of them. The Alt-Right is SMARTER than the retards that hate us. Should we submit to their retarded will, or force them to heel and submit to ours? The answer is “B”. The White Race is on the ascent, and we are about to demonstrate how it is that we conquered an entire planet populated by retards, niggers and assorted mud people.
And that, Jew, is who the Alt-Right is. At least in my opinion. You’ll find someone much smarter and better educated than I am, who will have a better answer, but you’ll never find a nigger that can understand even half of what I just said.
I decided to leave this reply, clearly from a “daily stormer” so that the rest of y’all can dissect it and glean what you can from it. It helps us understand what “daily stormers” are all about. Mr. Whitey, did you just write that you want to kill Nazis?
The arrogance in the message above closely parallels how our Liberal overlords (Jewish and Gentile alike) always think they are holier than everyone else. Oh no you aren’t!
An anonymous reader sent me this response:
He said- ” You’ll find someone much smarter and better educated than I am, who will have a better answer, but you’ll never find a nigger that can understand even half of what I just said.”
I bet I could, I’ll summarize and comment on the general message of each paragraph. Though first I want to comment on his name, “Tightey Whitey”, a smart man indeed.
P1. The Alt-Right is a party open for those who neither abide by the guidelines of the mainstream “right” regarding their own adoption of “PC” culture, yet neither fall to the extreme of the less disciplined that lack intelligence (Nazis) or those less affiliated with Cultural boundaries (libertarians) and react to such with collective disdain.
C1. Given the use of “hate” in his paragraph, I’m not really seeing the difference in terms of temperament between “Nazis” and this guy, or is that not a flaw but rather an asset and their folly is their knowledge? This becomes a problem because he also includes “WN” which really becomes an issue when reading his comment further.
P2. People make the mistake of adopting, apparently you as well by his words, old traits of the GOP which leads to restraint in intellectual thinking. He then further in implies that this gives Whites independence, free from Jewish academic hegemony. Blacks, in the end, are low on success due to deficiency .
C2. And here’s where he falls flat, as not only does he display ignorance by taking an ad hominem approach to you despite his first paragraph essentially matching your entire article regarding what would be best to Identify with, but he responded on an ethnic level now appealing to WN/Nazi sentiments rather than Alt Right by his standards when you just wanted clarification . He apparently didn’t understand 100% what you wrote and fundamentally what he has written himself.
P3. Basically that whites have critical thinking on their side against Jews.
C3. Maybe so, but in regards in deciphering your beliefs he fails in that appeal, and as my application of critical thinking would show he’s quite vulnerable under scrutiny.
P4. Now he’s referring to the innate appeal for whites to truly “understand whiteness”.
C4. Hypocritical to his first paragraph, but nonetheless a insightful idea.
P5. Uses P4 as an analogy in the process of understanding the Alt Right.
C5. This, I’ll give TW, was a good device in his comment, philosophical hypocrisy aside.
P6. His list of major topics that the Alt Right confront, taking a general negative to the mainstream views.
C6. Probably the first unmistakably Alt-Right perspectives in his comments.
P7. This then takes an ethnocentric appeal by him contrasting white prowess versus non-white shortcomings. Particularly he makes allusions towards both Whites and Native Americans.
C7. At this point is where I say I have lost any credibility in his words. First of all this is the most blatant ethnic bias throughout his entire article, but also the narrowness of the races he degrades it proves his national centrism as well. BTW, I believe I rank myself rather higher regarding understanding comprehensive “mud” history and putting them under scrutiny.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/the-negro-problem-re-evaluated-by-phil/
P8. He asserts that those who call him “racist” are merely “retards” who couldn’t actually understand what he said, and that the “Alt Right is superior” to it’s aggressive opponents, who are composed of “retards”, “niggers”, and “mud people, and advocates that the Alt-Right to “conquer” them in a similar fashion that whites have been attributed to doing in the past.
C8. Where to fucking begin? While 7 was most blatant of his bias, 8 is most blatant of his poor efforts of actually advocating ethnic nationalism that he original said the Alt Right was against. He pretty much contradicts his alleged primary values around intelligence above by breaking down a situation to “us, them, and conquering”.
As for people calling him racist, it’s one thing to carry disdain for them as it’s defensible under law to carry that view. However, to very clearly support the propaganda of your opponent allows them to justify their position with you being confirmed to be on the offensive rather than advocating a defensive. Outside of a basically poor tactic, this is but another contradiction to his point on “whiteness” without “Jew or Nazi”.
P9. He affirms that as his answer, admits that someone smarter would give a better answer but contends that a “nigger” couldn’t.
C9. This is probably the most correct, when isolated, statement he made in his comment. The only real controversy though is whether or not I “qualify” as a nigger, as there’s no real consensus even with WNs whether it’s the equivalent of “white trash”, “typical blacks”, or “all blacks”. Though if we are to extrapolate from his collectivist grouping of races and attributes, I’m probably a “nigger” as I’m particularly black genetically compared to others based off of multiple genetic tests.
So in that regards he’s wrong.
The answer of this guy doesn’t sound genuine to me. Someone intelligent and with all the other things he claims for himself and is group would never write this way… which is offensive and tries to offend, not to seek constructive dialogue. I consider him a agent provocateur and/or controlled opposition, and it’s useless to get worked up about these troublemakers. Just ignore the dolt. He is not alt-right, and there is no need to fall for a moron like that or even take him seriously.
Regarding controlled opposition, there was an article about the alt-right some time ago that dumped all alt-right groups into the controlled opposition basket. Don’t have it handy right now, but it had a graph with many alt-right groups floating around, and even jewamongyou was there. Do you have a comment regarding that?
Yes. I feel privileged to have been among the very first Dark Enlightenment/ Alt-Right people. If you look at that diagram I think you’ll find very few (if any) hateful people. David Duke and Don Black are absent.
It’s moved I think. There were a lot more people who were interested in the intellectual aspects of the HBD early on. With Trump a lot of white nationalists joined up and provided much of the energy, so the movement (such as it is) moved in that direction. It’s funny to look back on Vox Day’s website and see a fairly civil conversation with Jonah Goldberg of NRO from a few years ago.
https://countenance.wordpress.com/2016/09/03/defining-alt-lite/
My proposed defs of alt-right and alt-lite
You might need to go back to the drawing board. “Chiefly driven by anti-egalitarianism” encompasses way too many groups you probably didn’t intend to include: Jewish Zionists, militant feminists, black separatists, etc…
And what if I’m just a regular conservative who is against abortion, mass immigration, gay marriage, and race quotas? –and in my case, also against the normalization (but not necessarily the very presence) of atheism and obscenity in our popular culture? None of that is driven by anti-egalitarianism. It’s driven by a desire to remain linked to a great heritage and to values central to that heritage.
On the whole I like hearing different points of view and I don’t want reasonable people to feel unfairly excluded from things. You might say that makes me pretty egalitarian. And yet 9 times out of 10, the realistic policies I would support probably line up with what people in the Alt Right would support.
I’m perfectly happy not being included in either the Alt Right or Alt Lite–in fact, I’d prefer it at this point–but stuff like this definitely affects your model.
Well stated — it is critically important not to let the Alt-right to be linked with anti-semitism. The mainstream media and social justice warriors are working hard to link them so the Alt-right movement needs to work just as hard to eliminate any such link. One problem is that many prominent anti-Alt-right activists are Jewish, so this creates unnecessary hostility for many Alt-rightists. There are also many active Alt-right colleagues who are Jewish as well. So all Alt-rightists should work together and make sure that anti-semitism does not tar the movement.
The issue is that so many Jews, and leftists, have defined “anti-Semitism” as any kind of criticism of Jews or Israel. I don’t see a problem with criticizing either one, or both, of them. The line between healthy criticism and anti-Semitism can be a fuzzy one. I think that somebody who hates another simply because that person is Jewish has crossed the line.
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On a somewhat related topic, as a Jewish member of the Alt Right, how do you feel about Kevin MacDonald’s theories regarding Jewish in-group evolutionary survival strategy? As I understand it, MacDonald holds that the Jewish over-representation in leftist causes is primarily caused by the genetic tendencies of Jews to undermine their host societies, and so Jews need not even be consciously aware of these evolved subversive tendencies in order to act on them. If that is the case, how can the Alt Right trust any Jew, regardless of his or her honest intentions? What is the best substantive critique (no pun intended) of MacDonald’s claims that you have seen?
Also, to what extent would you hold Russian Jews collectively responsible for the Bolshevik revolution and the communist crimes that followed?
If modern Jews have a “group evolutionary strategy,” then it’s not a very good one; intermarriage rates are at all-time highs and secular Jews have below replacement birthrates. If this is a “strategy” then it’s more of a suicidal one.
I’ve been saying for years that what’s good for whites is good for Jews. As far as being able to trust Jews, we should assign trust based on the subject’s actions. Trust should be earned on the individual level. Sure, we have to take an individual’s group affiliation into account when assessing him, but if we get to know the individual, then we have a lot more information to go on. I don’t think anybody should be held responsible for the actions of others of his group. When I encounter “gangsta blacks,” I’m wary of them, and I keep my distance – but I don’t hold them accountable for the actions of other gangsta blacks.
What I personally like about the alt-right that conspiracies play no big role. This is the case for all of the most important alt-right intellectuals. 9/11″ truthers”, antisemites etc. are not part of this intellectual movement.
Jew did vote 70% for Hillary, so 7 out of 10 are for mass 3rd world immigration.
Not really. This wasn’t a single-issue election–some people may have been disgusted by Trump’s locker room talk, others may have been afraid of a fascist takeover by the far-right elements of Trump’s base (that Trump would specifically target Jews is unlikely but given the prior history of Weimar Germany you can see how a lot of Jews would be hypersensitive), others may have felt Trump may not have had the proper background in public service, others may have felt a trade war was a bad idea…
I’ve been trying to find a poll stating Jewish views on immigration as a whole…anyone succeeded?
In the end it comes down to, Do you want to live in a country dominated by white men or not? Large numbers of Jews, like educated white women (and a lot of educated, urban white men), blacks, mestizos and Muslims, seem to think not. Trump vs. Hillary, it seems (to me) was a pretty straightforward choice.
Of course, when I say white men I would include Jews.
I believe most Jews immigrated to the USA when white men dominated. Women didn’t get the vote until what 1919? JimCrow and segregation of races was completely normal. White proportion was about 90%. So, why do 70% of Jews and many, many none-Jews now worry that white Americans are going to become Nazis? To my knowledge alt-right is (mostly) about whites (men anyway) looking out for their own identity rather than the welfare of thumb-sucking (fake) victim groups screaming for their rights.
To get back to your original question I think the Jew obesssion amongst commenters at places like Radix and Alternative Right has abated quite a bit in the past couple of years compared to say before 2013 or so.
Jews aren’t White. Jews have viewed and continue to view Whites as their mortal genetic enemies. The majority of Jews, Jewish power and Jewish money, regardless of their stated political ideology, support open borders for all White countries because they know that homogeneous White countries are capable of recognizing and resisting the transformation of their nations to suit Jews at the expense of Whites. A handful of Jews not supporting the anti-White policies that now dominate the West does nothing to refute the truth that Jews are primarily anti-White and use their power and influence to facilitate the destruction of White nations while pretending that they actually care about the 3rd worlders they’re using to flood and destroy our nations.
The Alt-Right understands this. The Alt-Right is growing because they are on the offense, not the defense. The Alt-Right is determined to expose, confront and defeat all anti-Whites including Jews. Establishment conservatives lost for decades because they played defense and they refused to acknowledge the destructive role Jews were playing while allowing Jews to openly and virulently attack and demonize Whites.
The Trump election was a turning point. Jews came out from the shadows and exposed themselves for even the normies to see. The reality is that it takes moral courage to deal with the JQ and that moral courage has been missing since post WW2 because the Holocaust was hung around the necks of every White person on Earth. Whites are the only race on the planet that are not allowed to advocate for themselves and the results of this are obvious for everyone to see.
There is no more pretending to be White for Jews. We see (((you))) and Jews need to accept that they’ll have to start attacking White Western Civilization as Jews and not pretending to be White any longer. Whites are going to start making decisions just like every other race, including Jews. Is it good for White people. And White people being led and influenced by Jews is not good for White people.
The problem with the Jews is that they are just too successful. Am reading Philip Glass’s memoir and yes he’s instinctively(?) drawn to identify with blacks even though he had zero black friends in Baltimore and Chicago. Mother serious left-wing anti-white do-gooder, maybe a communist. Still, Glass loved classical western music and turned away from Schoenberg dissonance. Certainly a plus for Western culture, or at least a neutral. Yes, he’s never going to make a Carmina Burana but not his fault. As far as I know Glass wouldn’t proscribe the playing of Carmina Burana but probably wouldn’t advance it either. So what? Whites need to get behind their own culture.
“Those who advocate for white rights, but deny the biological reality of race, are fighting a losing battle – because racial disparities are getting more and more difficult to pin on either racism or other environmental factors.”
That’s not necessarily true, at least in America. The theory is if you remove the artificial marketplace constraints of affirmative action, forced diversity, and welfare and such and get as close to anarcho -capitalism as possible then the free market will work it’s magic. There will be what appear to be racial lines drawn all over, but they will not be forced. They will be set by merit and by freedom of choice. This doesn’t work if there is a sizeable segment of the population that wants to kill every other segment, and it doesn’t work if too many don’t speak the native tongue. Only total dictatorship would work in those cases.
What makes America different from places like Germany or Sweden is how young we are as a country, and we have a history of absorbing cultures. Half of our oldest traditions we only do because wanted to do it the opposite of how England does it. The traditions of Germany and Sweden, as well as the bloodlines, probably go back thousands of years. We are much better at absorbing cultures. Of course there is a limit to how much we can effectively absorb, and we’re at the saturation point. My point is from this viewpoint it doesn’t matter what your views on race are. You can say it’s not about race it’s about culture/civics. You can say you’re not advocating for white rights, it’s advocating for true egalitarianism. All of this is intellectually consistent.
” This doesn’t work if there is a sizeable segment of the population that wants to kill every other segment”
Alt-Right, if this is what you are referring to, doesn’t want to kill everybody. They want white men to stand up for, rather than hate, their own people and identity. Alt-Right is a reaction to a prolonged and concerted effort to reduce middle- and working class white men to dhimmis, second-class citizens, random particles, lumps of globalist protoplasm and pajama boys.
“Since the Alt-Right is ideologically based, people of any race or background can be part of it.”
I don’t think Alt-Right is an ideology. It’s a culture. Cultures require a founding event or gods that individual men identify with and are able to imitate.
It may be that some people believe Hitler or the Nazis were gods or heroes. If they do they are the doppelganger of people who believe Nazis are Evil Incarnate, literally supernatural monsters manifest into flesh and blood. You can’t have one without the other, it seems.